Over the last couple of days we’ve had a wide range of responses to the video of the new Walker House CCTV camera that barks orders at you in an American accent. Many have been aghast and I’ve read the words “dystopian” and “1984” more times over the weekend than in the whole of 2011 put together.
As with any controversial issue there have also been others who have raised objections to the video. These have come in via twitter, comments here, YouTube comments, reddit and others. As the same points are being raised a number of times in different places I thought it would be useful to create an FAQ (which I may update as and when) rather than answer them individually.
Q: I live somewhere other than Walker House/Camden and we have crime here that should be stopped.
I’m really sorry to hear that. It’s terrible to live in a place where there are gangs, crime problems or anti-social behaviour. I guess that’s why I’m lucky to live in Walker House where we don’t have these problems. Perhaps the £25,000 the council spent putting this up monitoring our communal garden could have been better spent sorting out the problems you have.
Q: Walker House has a crime problem that should be stopped
The Metropolitan Police website has a useful feature where you can look up where crime and anti-social behaviour is occurring. It shows that over the entirety of 2011 there was not one arrest or call out over anti-social behaviour or any other crime in Walker House. Not one for an entire year.
One of our local councillors, Roger Robinson, who is a hard working councillor that we all respect, is quoted in The Independent saying that the council are “entitled to do something” because of “drug dealing and harassment” and that “People have been known to smash cars and steal motorbikes. ”
The evidence simply is not there to suggest there is a crime wave that needs extreme measures to halt it. In fact the evidence is not there that there is any crime problem at all. Roger is letting us down in two ways here.
Firstly he is trying to justify a camera pointing into our communal garden in order to stop vandalism of vehicles in the parking area, which the camera doesn’t even point at, so this does not make sense. Secondly he is trashing the reputation of Walker House in order to retrospectively justify a clearly over the top decision that the council should simply retreat from with good grace.
Is Walker House a utopia of good neighbours and virtue? Well, I wouldn’t go that far. The kids are very loud when they run round, as they do every day. During the day people who don’t live here come and sit in our nice garden, and sometimes people find that intimidating if it’s a big group of lads. It being Camden there probably *is* some crime that is going unreported.
But people online are saying the House is a haven for drug dealing and sex workers. This is simply a fantasy and I’d appreciate it if people did not treat our community as if we’re a bunch of socially dysfunctional monsters. We’re really nice!
Q: You don’t own the garden
No, I don’t. There have been some frankly weird comments saying that I think the garden is my personal property and I should be the one who decides everything that goes on there. No I don’t think that and it’s weird that you think I do.
In the English language “my” can mean direct ownership (my coat, my life, my job) but it can also be broader than that. When people say my home town or my street they don’t mean they own the town or they own their street. This is common usage of the language and attempting to pretend otherwise is willful misinterpretation.
My community (no, I don’t own the community either) should have a real say over decisions like this. It is our communal garden after all and we understand its problems better than the council or the police. We live here after all.
Q: The residents want it
No. They don’t. We’ve not completed going to every door in Walker House yet but the vast majority of residents we’ve spoken to so far do not want it. And they’ve signed the petition against it so we’re confident that the majority are opposed and that we can prove it.
There are a couple of very loud residents who think it’s brilliant and the council appears to be listening to them rather than the rest of us who’d rather our garden was not polluted with an authoritarian robot telling us we’re in a restricted area.
Q: the council has the right to do whatever it wants
We have no idea whether the council has the legal right to do this. However, we do have the right as citizens in a democracy to tell the council what we think of their decision. If you don’t think we should have that right… tough.
Q: You shouldn’t be out at night time
What? Really? We have yet to discover whether Camden Council is seeking a curfew order to enforce a borough wide bedtime, but we think it’s unlikely.
The camera is light sensitive so it is activated when it gets dark. At the moment this means that people going to work at 7am have been ordered out of the area as have people in the garden at ten to six pm. Hardly unsocial hours, but that’s irrelevant.
This is not a restricted area night or day. We do not have a problem with gangs hanging round into the night and 99.9% of the time this camera goes off it is telling a resident they are not welcome in their own community. That’s wrong.
Q: there are more important things to worry about, like Syria.
It’s terrible what’s happening in Syria. The opposition are so courageous to put their lives on the line to overthrow their murderous regime. We can only hope the situation there is resolved quickly with as little bloodshed as possible, although I feel pessimistic about this.
However, unless we think the only problem we should be concerned about is the worst global problem then the people who live in Walker House are still entitled to an opinion on what is happening here, and they are entitled to express this publicly.
I should point out to the people making this criticism though that there are loads of examples of internet people complaining about far more trivial things than this online and until you’ve sorted those out first you shouldn’t come and wag your finger at us.
Q: It’s not aimed at residents
Actually it is. Literally.
Q: you should just put up with it
No. We’ve higher aspirations for our communities than simply putting up with things that don’t kill us. We want Walker House, Somerstown and the whole of Camden to be brilliant. This camera is a step away from the kind of community we want where we have real ownership over where we live, collectively, as a community. We don’t want to be part of the council’s restricted area.
Q: You must have asked for it
No. As stated above there are a couple of residents who’ve been boasting about how influential they are with the council and they want to see as much policing, cameras, and law enforcement as they can get. This does not represent even a significant minority view let alone the majority view.
We were informed two weeks before that CCTV was going to be put up. In a low crime block that seems like a waste of money, but this goes way beyond CCTV and we weren’t even informed this was going to happen let alone consulted.
Q: if it solves one crime it will be worth it
This camera will not solve any anti-social behaviour, it is anti-social behaviour.
If there was a non-resident standing in the garden at night time telling everyone who came by to move on, we’d give them short shift. This camera is that guy, put there by people who do not live here but are too lazy to actually stand there and do it for themselves – so they get a robot to do it for them.
This camera will not stop vehicle crime because a) it isn’t happening and b) it’s pointed at the garden.
This camera wont stop kids playing football and running about – and a good thing too.
This camera will not prevent a mugging, drug dealing or prostitution – although if you see a serious crime taking place in Walker House call the police and you can create the first crime stat here for more than a year.
Our communities are safer when we are all looking out for each other – not when we’re being told to stay indoors. The safest public areas are the ones that are used, creating a restricted area makes the garden less safe for us all. It is a well established fact that the most effective crime deterrent is the eyes of other people.
Camden Council, please take robocop down. Thank you.
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Actually I was more concerned at the way the camera tells you it is a ‘restricted area’ but doesn’t tell you what the restriction actually is (why should you assume that the restriction is that you can’t stay there?). Are there any signs or any indication that the garden is closed?
And then it warns you of ‘processing’ of images but doesn’t say who is doing the processing.
Terribly oppressive and vague at the same time. The opposite of working for the community.
*applauds*
Also live in Somers Town, though not in (or around) Walker House. I’ve only witnessed one ‘incident’ in the last year or so. On the Monday after the riots, a couple of kids from the area were walking up the road towards Eversholt Street, and a police van drew up beside them. Four plain-clothed coppers jumped out, with two standing at each end of the van, effectively trapping the kids in. They were quite menacingly asking them questions when I walked past – by which point I was on the other side of the street. Didn’t arrest them, just plainly intimidated them.
We’ve never had any trouble from people living around here. I think the most illegal thing I’ve been aware of was a vague whiff of pot when I was walking down Phoenix Road. Shocking stuff.
But it’s nice to know the Council is sticking threatening cameras out. I’m, er, sure they know what they’re doing ‘n that. Probably. Maybe. Or not.
I don’t approve of the camera either but I wonder if people would be so bothered about its presence if it just filmed and didn’t speak.
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I’m frankly appalled at the actions taken by Camden Council – it is utterly ludicrous and given the swathing cuts we’re all having to face, a complete waste of money.. I don’ t live in your community, but I do live in London and you would hope a bit of common sense would prevail, but clearly not…
This is a bit of a different situation, but I wonder if this article is helpful in terms of the clarity of actions taken by the council and how they are funding the implementation of the camera? FOI request would give you some answers…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/17/birmingham-stops-muslim-surveillance-scheme
Good luck!
This security measure is more than a little O.T.T – and what exactly are the consequences of straying into the ‘restricted area’? If there aren’t any this is just automated intimidation.
Now if the sensors triggered the playing of classical music that would be something else entirely… *irony*
As a practical measure, a small torch pointing at the light sensitive panel would presumably render it inactive…
Well said.
I’m glad there are people around who stand up to stuff like this. Keep up the good work.
I’ve re-tweeted the @Glinner link to this page – I hope others will do the same
You should all get Roger Robinson masks and wander round the garden at night looking at the camera.
I bet you’re not a council tenant. I bet you either bought that property or rent it from a Landlord. I bet you ain’t lived there your whole life. I bet you don’t live on one of the lower floors plagued by the noise of the bloody kids running about day and night. I bet you ain’t raising your kids there. I bet when you’ve had enough you’ll move back to a semi somewhere. If you can afford it.
I think the camera is a cheap, crummy alternative to proper community support officers etc, but it’s probably better than nothing.
Camden Council – I’m very disappointed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrXfh4hENKs
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Hi Mabel,
I live on the ground floor of Walker House, though yes, I am an owner not a tenant, but I’ve lived in Camden council blocks for the past eight years or so.
I regard “kids running in and out” as a normal part of life. (And adults walking in and out for that matter when you have probably 400 residents or so in the block.)
And (with children and adults) I smile at them, often exchange pleasantries, when I have time have a good old natter – I consider that part of living in a community.
Because that’s what Walker House is, a community, a broadly happy one in which people use and interact our communal space, as they should do.
Mabel you make a good point. Either there’s a problem in Walker House or there isn’t. If there is then the council should ensure there is better community policing and designated CPOs available. But if there isn’t, they should remove the talking pole with a camera stuck on top. It really serves no purpose at all.
Whilst totally on your side (Camden are being outrageous, by accident or not), are all the above responses genuine? If they’re by Twitter or YouTube could you provide links? I just find it hard to believe that anyone would have anything positive to say about it.
al
The story has gone far and wide now, there is more here:
http://www.cctv.co.uk/residents-furious-after-deactivation-of-cctv-camera-in-camden/
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